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t***@gmail.com
2012-04-18 08:18:24 UTC
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Hi, do you know where I can find Delphi documentation. I need to see all methods in TObject. I looked everywhere in the Internet but I couldn't find any documentation. Thanks in advance
Hans-Peter Diettrich
2012-04-18 13:31:06 UTC
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Hi, do you know where I can find Delphi documentation. I need to see
all methods in TObject. I looked everywhere in the Internet but I
couldn't find any documentation. Thanks in advance
Up to D7, at least, you can open the help on TObject or any other class.
Then you'll find in the title bar links to "Methods" (Properties...),
which open the list of these items.

Also in CodeExplorer you see a list of all classes in a unit, with
expandable nodes for lists of the class members.

DoDi
t***@gmail.com
2012-04-18 20:35:51 UTC
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Thanks :)
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Hi, do you know where I can find Delphi documentation. I need to see
all methods in TObject. I looked everywhere in the Internet but I
couldn't find any documentation. Thanks in advance
Up to D7, at least, you can open the help on TObject or any other class.
Then you'll find in the title bar links to "Methods" (Properties...),
which open the list of these items.
Also in CodeExplorer you see a list of all classes in a unit, with
expandable nodes for lists of the class members.
DoDi
Sven P
2012-04-23 08:15:22 UTC
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Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
Up to D7, at least, you can open the help on TObject or any other class.
So also you suggest to use Help from a Delphi 7 version that was
released in 2002.

That Help System is very familiar to us, and yes, it works fine. All our
Delphi works and future developments have been frozen to D7 level.

My colleague tried to install Delphi 2010 XE version a couple of years
back. That was the first Delphi version that we could not get to work.
Even a simple one Button Form raised an error, (I do not remember what
it was) and did not compile.

With that error text my colleague asked tips from Embarcadero Forums.
There were tens, and tens of similar unanswered First Time Installation
problems and questions at that time. Also we never got an answer.
After 3 months we uninstalled the non working Delphi XE version.

I wonder what is actually the situation with Help systems with all the
Delphi releases between 2003-2012?

When sometime, years back I visited Embarcadero newsgroups I saw that
the were not quite satisfied with the HTML/CHM based Delphi Help systems.
But hey, now there has a full decade gone. Are all, even the newest
Delphi Help systems really still unusable?

This is no place of a laughter for a Delphi developer. It all just
sounds very sad.

SP
Marco van de Voort
2012-04-23 09:22:39 UTC
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Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
Up to D7, at least, you can open the help on TObject or any other class.
So also you suggest to use Help from a Delphi 7 version that was
released in 2002.
That Help System is very familiar to us, and yes, it works fine. All our
Delphi works and future developments have been frozen to D7 level.
1. Concluding the D7 helpsystem was better
2. Stick to D7 no matter what.

are two very different things.

I agree with the first, but not with the second. (not even for the help.
Ultimately, as long as I find my content, updated content is better than
speed)
Hans-Peter Diettrich
2012-04-23 20:02:55 UTC
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Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
Up to D7, at least, you can open the help on TObject or any other class.
So also you suggest to use Help from a Delphi 7 version that was
released in 2002.
No, I only cannot know which Delphi version you are using, and what may
have changed in between.
Post by Sven P
That Help System is very familiar to us, and yes, it works fine. All our
Delphi works and future developments have been frozen to D7 level.
That's my favorite version, too, in detail for the IDE. I only miss
foldable blocks in the editor windows.
Post by Sven P
My colleague tried to install Delphi 2010 XE version a couple of years
back. That was the first Delphi version that we could not get to work.
Even a simple one Button Form raised an error, (I do not remember what
it was) and did not compile.
With that error text my colleague asked tips from Embarcadero Forums.
There were tens, and tens of similar unanswered First Time Installation
problems and questions at that time. Also we never got an answer.
After 3 months we uninstalled the non working Delphi XE version.
I installed XE last year, and had no serious problems with it. I didn't
perform serious coding, though, only explored the Unicode changes in a
couple of test projects. Most annoying was the new IDE, with a couple of
flaws that will be fixed only in newer versions, if at all.
Post by Sven P
I wonder what is actually the situation with Help systems with all the
Delphi releases between 2003-2012?
The first few years the new help system came with not much content, this
improved over time. I heard that sometimes relicts from Delphi.NET can
appear, or from C++Builder...
Post by Sven P
When sometime, years back I visited Embarcadero newsgroups I saw that
the were not quite satisfied with the HTML/CHM based Delphi Help systems.
But hey, now there has a full decade gone. Are all, even the newest
Delphi Help systems really still unusable?
This is no place of a laughter for a Delphi developer. It all just
sounds very sad.
Try a current (demo?) version, and see yourself.

DoDi
Sven P
2012-04-24 09:09:50 UTC
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Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
That's my favorite version, too, in detail for the IDE. I only miss
foldable blocks in the editor windows.
I don't know what exactly those foldable windowses are. For instance I
hate that all new Delphi IDE versions force to use Docked panes only.
You no more can have separate, overlapped windowses, that you can
organize on screen yourself.
Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
Most annoying was the new IDE, with a couple of
flaws that will be fixed only in newer versions, if at all.
One thing you do not like are any of those old IDE choices and features
missing. They are often quite small things, some change in Debugger
window or editor for instance. If some important features have been
taken off, and you have used them for 10 years or so, you are not a
happy coder.
Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
I didn't perform serious coding, though, only explored the Unicode
changes in a couple of test projects.
We tested the XE version to see if it would be for a help in our new
SOAP project. We wanted to know if the new version would offer better
methods when importing SOAP's .WDSL descriptions.

Even though we could not get Delphi XE running, we were able to see that
the new WDSL-importer in XE had not changed a lot. It did not offer
anything new, nor could it solve our problem.

The problem was with signed XML/SOAP messages and communication through
SSL connection to the Bank. We spent 1-2 months struggling and testing
and hacking and asking tips to become more familiar with XML, SOAP, SSL,
INDY etc.

Finally we found and learned what are the important things with SOAP and
SSL what are not.

We were able to rip away the marketing hypes, all the suggested ultra
new communication packages, new Java/SOAP libraries, .NET-version
requirements etc.

And also we found that we do not need Delphi XE to perform all this.
Embarcadero's great and continuing work doing up to date SOAP/XML
serializations against evolving SOAP standards was completely useless
for us. Everything really necessary was available already in D7 package
and in some commercial third party extra XML/SSL-products we bought.

Our final solution is a snappy 3 MB installation package. It is fast
reliably and easy to install for anyone.
Our competitor's installation packages contain bout 150-200 MB of .NET,
Java beans, HTML5, XML and Soap, SQL-database -libraries etc. stuff. And
it needs specialist and 1 days at site to install it.

We have already rescued some of competitor's clients that have struggled
10 months with competitor's packages, and have not get things to work.
Clients are astonished how our package can be so small and simple, and
do all the Banking communications things so easily and right out of the
package.
Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
Try a current (demo?) version, and see yourself.
Right now again, we do not have immediate urge to upgrade to new Delphi
versions. I do admit that you can get more colorful and more 'modern'
looking interfaces and left side menus systems built with them.

You do not get so good looking gradient Buttons and 16,7 million color
Panels etc. with Delphi-7. The Delphi apps interfaces and menuing
systems etc. do not look completely oudated. But they are not modern
looking, Web stylish also.

In that manner I probably have to try and download some new Delphi
version again, and see if we can get up and running this time. And what
does it really offer now.
The whole and total "web thing" for a Delphi house is also unsolved. We
do Win32 development only, and Web-demands are urging and recalling all
the time.

Sorry for the long post.
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Ph. B.
2012-04-18 14:50:58 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Hi, do you know where I can find Delphi documentation. I need to see all methods in TObject. I looked everywhere in the Internet but I couldn't find any documentation. Thanks in advance
Hi, have a look there:
http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/en/Delphi_Reference
and more accurately :
http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/Libraries/en/System.TObject
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Philippe.
t***@gmail.com
2012-04-18 20:35:10 UTC
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Thanks
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Hi, do you know where I can find Delphi documentation. I need to see all methods in TObject. I looked everywhere in the Internet but I couldn't find any documentation. Thanks in advance
http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/en/Delphi_Reference
http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/Libraries/en/System.TObject
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Philippe.
Ano
2013-03-22 13:13:19 UTC
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Hi,

thank you for your interesting help.



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